Comments on: What can be done about homelessness in Knox County? http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/ Discuss the local stories and questions. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:40:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Backwoods Mentality http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Backwoods Mentality Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:21:18 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-58 No, I am a person that has come to understand the issues that face many Americans today. There are issues that we have no control over that can destroy all of our lives. I am personally going through some very difficult times myself, but I can always find it in my heart to listen to others, and know there are people in WORSE condition. I believe that my aforementioned plan is very viable in this community, IF you can get the COC to look into it. They will approve goofy stuff like cleaning bricks from the brick roads that need to be re-surfaced, but never think twice about an issue as strong as this one. I only hope to add light to a situation that I feel is going to get worse before it gets better. Again, God Bless the homeless and their families. Please keep them safe. Thank you! ( Backwoods Mentality 2012! ) Ha Ha No, I am a person that has come to understand the issues that face many Americans today. There are issues that we have no control over that can destroy all of our lives. I am personally going through some very difficult times myself, but I can always find it in my heart to listen to others, and know there are people in WORSE condition.

I believe that my aforementioned plan is very viable in this community, IF you can get the COC to look into it. They will approve goofy stuff like cleaning bricks from the brick roads that need to be re-surfaced, but never think twice about an issue as strong as this one.

I only hope to add light to a situation that I feel is going to get worse before it gets better.
Again, God Bless the homeless and their families. Please keep them safe.

Thank you!
( Backwoods Mentality 2012! ) Ha Ha

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By: Robyn http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-57 Robyn Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:31:51 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-57 Very well stated Backwoods Mentality. Maybe you should run for office around there. Very well stated Backwoods Mentality. Maybe you should run for office around there.

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By: Backwoods Mentality http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Backwoods Mentality Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:01:28 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-53 *** Once again, the news mafia "edited" my first post, so I cleaned it up and will try again. Well...here we go again with small town mentality. Mt. Vernon is so backwoods to what is really going on in the world. It is also very politically biased. When I read the article on the poverty "simulation"..."I was enraged!" How dare them to hold such a thing just to "see what it would be like!" If they really "cared", then get off your velvet sofa, get out there, and find out! Anyone who thinks homelessness is not conceivably possible in his or her future is an idiot. Considering world economics, political issues, (like unqualified people in the government) and the inability of people to obtain an education for entry-level career positions in the community, we should be lucky this problem is not on a much grander scale. So you open up a shelter...that is just the band-aid. Get them in there, help them with personal grooming, get them some suitable clothing if needed, (thrift or otherwise)...and THEN...SIT THEM DOWN AND SHOW THEM HOW TO INTERVIEW! If they cannot present themselves in a reputable fashion, it is going to be much harder. Next, you keep them there until they have banked up some funds. In addition, when they are not working, they are working with a Counselor to set up specific goals for their immediate future. Once they obtain a place of residence, be it a room, efficiency apt, or otherwise, you follow up, keep them on a set course and eventually move them into quality education in a field that will offer some permanent solutions to their problems. But do not bail out on them at that point. See...you people think that sticking these people in a shelter is going to solve the problem. We need a full cycle approach. Remember when you got married. The preacher said "this ring is an endless symbol of your love. It has no beginning and no end." This is the way we need to think about this issue...not the cheapest quickest way out that is such a Mt. Vernon way of doing things! God Bless the homeless and I pray for their safety and future.....IN A BETTER TOWN! *** Once again, the news mafia “edited” my first post, so I cleaned it up and will try again.

Well…here we go again with small town mentality. Mt. Vernon is so backwoods to what is really going on in the world. It is also very politically biased. When I read the article on the poverty “simulation”…”I was enraged!” How dare them to hold such a thing just to “see what it would be like!” If they really “cared”, then get off your velvet sofa, get out there, and find out!

Anyone who thinks homelessness is not conceivably possible in his or her future is an idiot. Considering world economics, political issues, (like unqualified people in the government) and the inability of people to obtain an education for entry-level career positions in the community, we should be lucky this problem is not on a much grander scale.

So you open up a shelter…that is just the band-aid. Get them in there, help them with personal grooming, get them some suitable clothing if needed, (thrift or otherwise)…and THEN…SIT THEM DOWN AND SHOW THEM HOW TO INTERVIEW! If they cannot present themselves in a reputable fashion, it is going to be much harder.

Next, you keep them there until they have banked up some funds. In addition, when they are not working, they are working with a Counselor to set up specific goals for their immediate future.
Once they obtain a place of residence, be it a room, efficiency apt, or otherwise, you follow up, keep them on a set course and eventually move them into quality education in a field that will offer some permanent solutions to their problems. But do not bail out on them at that point.

See…you people think that sticking these people in a shelter is going to solve the problem. We need a full cycle approach. Remember when you got married. The preacher said “this ring is an endless symbol of your love. It has no beginning and no end.” This is the way we need to think about this issue…not the cheapest quickest way out that is such a Mt. Vernon way of doing things!
God Bless the homeless and I pray for their safety and future…..IN A BETTER TOWN!

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By: Marlin http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-51 Marlin Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:32:47 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-51 ccrider.. The last time I checked the money paid by McDonald's and Burger King was worth as much as that paid by the factories, and you won't be laid off in 90 days. I dropped out of high school at age 17. I later finished and now have a college degree. To do that I worked two parttime jobs during the school year and one fulltime and two parttime jobs during the summer. At the same time my wife was a stay at home mom with two small children. All of these jobs were in Knox County. So, I have a hard time buying hard luck stories. You make your own luck. It's called hard work. You may have to work for low wages while preparing yourself for something better. ccrider.. The last time I checked the money paid by McDonald’s and Burger King was worth as much as that paid by the factories, and you won’t be laid off in 90 days.

I dropped out of high school at age 17. I later finished and now have a college degree. To do that I worked two parttime jobs during the school year and one fulltime and two parttime jobs during the summer. At the same time my wife was a stay at home mom with two small children. All of these jobs were in Knox County. So, I have a hard time buying hard luck stories. You make your own luck. It’s called hard work.
You may have to work for low wages while preparing yourself for something better.

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By: Scott http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Scott Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:01:38 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-50 There are 2 kinds of homeless: by choice or without options. My experience (as a social worker) is that the VAST majority are by choice, or they perceive their situation as hopeless. Many do not want to move, take a lower paying job, or work at a job they do not like. They do not want to 'start over' when there is someone out there to give them money. Think of how americans got through the economic downturns in the past 100 years. They worked hard and made responsible decisions. For instance, when jobs disappeared in their area, they moved. A good example today? Jobs abound in northern Virginia. Someone who drives a truck or can paint a room can have a job tomorrow at about $50K per to start. I've done it myself so I know of what I speak. I also worked two jobs and raised kids, put them to college (college loans), maintained a tight family and just did what I had to do. Come on America! There are also many instances of true hardship without much in the way of choices. These people need help and most times get it. Some are too 'proud' and don't seek it out. The reality is that the USA has become a country of opportunity through government assistance which is a prescription for poverty. All of our anti-poverty programs have succeeded in promoting poverty as a lifestyle and they have trapped many millions and prevented them from any real opportunity to excel. I have worked for a number of these programs and believe me, if you saw what I saw you would be horrified to know what we have done to these poor program participants. Maybe the best example of what THE INDIVIDUAL can do to overcome despair, hunger, and cold is to talk to someone who lived through the depression. That period was FAR MORE SEVERE than we will ever know. And the bottom line is most made it through and came away in far better condition than they ever imagined. The number who did not make it and either died or remained in severe poverty is far less than the number we have sentenced to poverty through our ridiculous social programs. Come on America, learn from your past. Talk to your grandparents! There are 2 kinds of homeless: by choice or without options.

My experience (as a social worker) is that the VAST majority are by choice, or they perceive their situation as hopeless. Many do not want to move, take a lower paying job, or work at a job they do not like. They do not want to ’start over’ when there is someone out there to give them money. Think of how americans got through the economic downturns in the past 100 years. They worked hard and made responsible decisions.

For instance, when jobs disappeared in their area, they moved. A good example today? Jobs abound in northern Virginia. Someone who drives a truck or can paint a room can have a job tomorrow at about $50K per to start. I’ve done it myself so I know of what I speak. I also worked two jobs and raised kids, put them to college (college loans), maintained a tight family and just did what I had to do. Come on America!

There are also many instances of true hardship without much in the way of choices. These people need help and most times get it. Some are too ‘proud’ and don’t seek it out.

The reality is that the USA has become a country of opportunity through government assistance which is a prescription for poverty. All of our anti-poverty programs have succeeded in promoting poverty as a lifestyle and they have trapped many millions and prevented them from any real opportunity to excel. I have worked for a number of these programs and believe me, if you saw what I saw you would be horrified to know what we have done to these poor program participants.

Maybe the best example of what THE INDIVIDUAL can do to overcome despair, hunger, and cold is to talk to someone who lived through the depression. That period was FAR MORE SEVERE than we will ever know. And the bottom line is most made it through and came away in far better condition than they ever imagined. The number who did not make it and either died or remained in severe poverty is far less than the number we have sentenced to poverty through our ridiculous social programs.

Come on America, learn from your past. Talk to your grandparents!

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By: Cynthia Pendleton http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-47 Cynthia Pendleton Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:23:25 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-47 I was saddened when I read the article regarding the homeless here in Mount Vernon..especially when a couple of days before that I heard Ted Turner tell that he gave millions of dollars to the the UN. If the celebrities want to help people and give away their money, why won't they give to Americans? People have always taken care of each other, why can't we still do that? I was saddened when I read the article regarding the homeless here in Mount Vernon..especially when a couple of days before that I heard Ted Turner tell that he gave millions of dollars to the the UN. If the celebrities want to help people and give away their money, why won’t they give to Americans? People have always taken care of each other, why can’t we still do that?

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By: ccrider http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-46 ccrider Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:00:30 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-46 I'd would like to know where these jobs are in mt. vernon. Are we talking minumum wage jobs like mcdonald's, burger king, hardees? I know for a fact how hard it is to get into one of the local factories around here and if you do, you will more than likely get laid off before the 90 days trial basis. I’d would like to know where these jobs are in mt. vernon. Are we talking minumum wage jobs like mcdonald’s, burger king, hardees? I know for a fact how hard it is to get into one of the local factories around here and if you do, you will more than likely get laid off before the 90 days trial basis.

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By: lloyd http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-45 lloyd Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:58:46 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-45 there is job,s out there if you want to work . there is job,s out there if you want to work .

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By: Fogey http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Fogey Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:26:55 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-43 I was raised with a simple rule. Work or go hungry. It's all in your Choices. I've never been starved. Never been out of work out for more than a couple months. Raised a couple families and lived as if I may be homeless tonight. It's all in how you want to live your life. It takes a lot of planning and sometimes compromising your ideals. Oh yes, Once in a while you have to take a job that isn't your cup o tea and not so fancy of a house. Just thought I'd share. I've met a lot of homeless. Still looking for the one that it wasn't a choice. I was raised with a simple rule. Work or go hungry. It’s all in your Choices.

I’ve never been starved. Never been out of work out for more than a couple months. Raised a couple families and lived as if I may be homeless tonight.

It’s all in how you want to live your life. It takes a lot of planning and sometimes compromising your ideals.

Oh yes, Once in a while you have to take a job that isn’t your cup o tea and not so fancy of a house. Just thought I’d share. I’ve met a lot of homeless. Still looking for the one that it wasn’t a choice.

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By: Russ http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Russ Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:41:33 +0000 http://mountvernonnews.com/blog/2008/11/10/what-can-be-done-about-homelessness-in-knox-county/#comment-41 Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that these homeless people should stop waiting for the rest of us to help them out and instead get their stuff together and get a freaking job. Oh, I know they will say "I'm homeless because I'm crazy or I have some horrible disability" but the fact remains there are plenty of jobs for crazy and disabled people. We need to stop treating these people with kid gloves. The rest of us pay taxes for social services these homeless people choose to ignore. Well I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that these homeless people should stop waiting for the rest of us to help them out and instead get their stuff together and get a freaking job. Oh, I know they will say “I’m homeless because I’m crazy or I have some horrible disability” but the fact remains there are plenty of jobs for crazy and disabled people. We need to stop treating these people with kid gloves. The rest of us pay taxes for social services these homeless people choose to ignore.

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