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		<title>By: drd</title>
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		<dc:creator>drd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, So Mr Short could have looked at the arm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, So Mr Short could have looked at the arm.</p>
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		<title>By: drd</title>
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		<dc:creator>drd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Sam, Ben Neilson testified he saw a mark on the other childs arm and it was similar to his mark on his arm. He even drew a picture of his mark and the other childs mark. As RBH stated this mark is consistant with a first or second degree &quot;burn&quot; according to the expert who testified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Sam, Ben Neilson testified he saw a mark on the other childs arm and it was similar to his mark on his arm. He even drew a picture of his mark and the other childs mark. As RBH stated this mark is consistant with a first or second degree &#8220;burn&#8221; according to the expert who testified.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
		<link>http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2010/01/15/freshwater-hearing-suspended-again/comment-page-1/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drd said: ‚ÄúI also believe the family went into the administration to talk about the incedent the next day. I never heard any testimony that they didn‚Äôt &#039;permit&#039; anyone to look at the arm.‚Äù

The following is from my article ‚ÄúMedia Didn‚Äôt Tell Whole Story about ‚ÄòSettlement‚Äô‚Äù:

http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/09/media-didnt-tell-whole-story-about.html

The middle school principal, Bill White, testified last October that he was asked by Short to investigate Freshwater‚Äôs side of the story. White, however, was not permitted to look at the student‚Äôs arm. ‚ÄúAt the point when Mr. Short gave me the pictures, he said the parents didn‚Äôt want anybody to know who they were,‚Äù White testified. ‚ÄúAnd other than going through a thousand arms at school, I wouldn‚Äôt have.‚Äù]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drd said: ‚ÄúI also believe the family went into the administration to talk about the incedent the next day. I never heard any testimony that they didn‚Äôt &#8216;permit&#8217; anyone to look at the arm.‚Äù</p>
<p>The following is from my article ‚ÄúMedia Didn‚Äôt Tell Whole Story about ‚ÄòSettlement‚Äô‚Äù:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/09/media-didnt-tell-whole-story-about.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/09/media-didnt-tell-whole-story-about.html</a></p>
<p>The middle school principal, Bill White, testified last October that he was asked by Short to investigate Freshwater‚Äôs side of the story. White, however, was not permitted to look at the student‚Äôs arm. ‚ÄúAt the point when Mr. Short gave me the pictures, he said the parents didn‚Äôt want anybody to know who they were,‚Äù White testified. ‚ÄúAnd other than going through a thousand arms at school, I wouldn‚Äôt have.‚Äù</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RBH,

RBH said: ‚ÄúBetween his interview with HR OnCall and his testimony in the hearing Ben changed his story about the shape and size of the burn, but not the existence of one.‚Äù

Ben Neilson testified that he did not see a burn on the arm of Zachary Dennis. He was very clear on that. (See my article ‚ÄúSecond Student Tells of Seeing Accuser‚Äôs Arm without Burn.‚Äù)

http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/03/second-student-tells-of-seeing-accusers.html

As far as him changing his story on any details of his testimony: This goes back to the issue of the improper way that HROC conducted their investigation. The interviews were not recorded and they did not take written statements from the witness‚Äîthey didn‚Äôt even have the interviewees look at the handwritten notes to see if they were accurate. (See my article ‚ÄúInvestigative Report: Did It Investigate Enough?‚Äù)

http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/04/investigative-report-did-it-investigate.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RBH,</p>
<p>RBH said: ‚ÄúBetween his interview with HR OnCall and his testimony in the hearing Ben changed his story about the shape and size of the burn, but not the existence of one.‚Äù</p>
<p>Ben Neilson testified that he did not see a burn on the arm of Zachary Dennis. He was very clear on that. (See my article ‚ÄúSecond Student Tells of Seeing Accuser‚Äôs Arm without Burn.‚Äù)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/03/second-student-tells-of-seeing-accusers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/03/second-student-tells-of-seeing-accusers.html</a></p>
<p>As far as him changing his story on any details of his testimony: This goes back to the issue of the improper way that HROC conducted their investigation. The interviews were not recorded and they did not take written statements from the witness‚Äîthey didn‚Äôt even have the interviewees look at the handwritten notes to see if they were accurate. (See my article ‚ÄúInvestigative Report: Did It Investigate Enough?‚Äù)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/04/investigative-report-did-it-investigate.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.accountabilityinthemedia.com/2009/04/investigative-report-did-it-investigate.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RBH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Sticle wrote &quot;No one has testified in the hearing, other than the Dennis family, of seeing a burn on the arm of Zachary.&quot;

That&#039;s false.  Ben Neilson testified that he saw a mark (which, having been caused by a high frequency/high voltage generating device is appropriately called a &quot;burn&quot;) on Zachary&#039;s arm.  Between his interview with HR OnCall and his testimony in the hearing Ben changed his story about the shape and size of the burn, but not the existence of one.

Further, in hearing testimony and in a deposition for one of the federal suits two other students have sworn that Freshwater put marks in the shape of a cross on their arms.  Again, &quot;marks&quot; on skin left by a high frequency/high voltage device like the Tesla coil are in fact at least first degree and possibly second degree burns, as the expert witness testified on October 30, 2008:

&quot;Shown the pictures of the marks on the arm earlier entered into evidence, Levy testified that his original reaction is that they are pictures of a second-degree burn, and that the marks are consistent with a BD10A having been used on the arm in the described manner, 2 passes in each direction, 10-12 hours preceding when the pictures were taken. Levy testified that it was his opinion that it was an electrical burn, and that the appearance would not have been significantly affected (nor would his opinion be affected) by knowing that the boy participated in hockey practice with goalie‚Äôs equipment between the occurrence of the burn and the taking of the pictures.&quot;

See here:  http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/freshwater-hear-2.html.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Sticle wrote &#8220;No one has testified in the hearing, other than the Dennis family, of seeing a burn on the arm of Zachary.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s false.  Ben Neilson testified that he saw a mark (which, having been caused by a high frequency/high voltage generating device is appropriately called a &#8220;burn&#8221;) on Zachary&#8217;s arm.  Between his interview with HR OnCall and his testimony in the hearing Ben changed his story about the shape and size of the burn, but not the existence of one.</p>
<p>Further, in hearing testimony and in a deposition for one of the federal suits two other students have sworn that Freshwater put marks in the shape of a cross on their arms.  Again, &#8220;marks&#8221; on skin left by a high frequency/high voltage device like the Tesla coil are in fact at least first degree and possibly second degree burns, as the expert witness testified on October 30, 2008:</p>
<p>&#8220;Shown the pictures of the marks on the arm earlier entered into evidence, Levy testified that his original reaction is that they are pictures of a second-degree burn, and that the marks are consistent with a BD10A having been used on the arm in the described manner, 2 passes in each direction, 10-12 hours preceding when the pictures were taken. Levy testified that it was his opinion that it was an electrical burn, and that the appearance would not have been significantly affected (nor would his opinion be affected) by knowing that the boy participated in hockey practice with goalie‚Äôs equipment between the occurrence of the burn and the taking of the pictures.&#8221;</p>
<p>See here:  <a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/freshwater-hear-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/freshwater-hear-2.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
		<link>http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2010/01/15/freshwater-hearing-suspended-again/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jt,

A lot would depend on why the evidence is missing. If the evidence was in the possession of the school board and they were intentionally withholding subpoenaed evidence, that would be favorable to Mr. Freshwater, that would possibly make it a Brady rights violation. We‚Äôll have to wait and see what happens this Friday at the hearing.

‚ÄúSuppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused who has requested it violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.‚Äù

‚ÄîBrady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jt,</p>
<p>A lot would depend on why the evidence is missing. If the evidence was in the possession of the school board and they were intentionally withholding subpoenaed evidence, that would be favorable to Mr. Freshwater, that would possibly make it a Brady rights violation. We‚Äôll have to wait and see what happens this Friday at the hearing.</p>
<p>‚ÄúSuppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused who has requested it violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.‚Äù</p>
<p>‚ÄîBrady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963)</p>
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		<title>By: woodyj</title>
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		<dc:creator>woodyj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that another teacher has(d) a bible on their desk only indicates that the bible on the desk is only a minor issue in this case. in fact, it may just be an item used to further demonstrate mr freshwaters character]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that another teacher has(d) a bible on their desk only indicates that the bible on the desk is only a minor issue in this case. in fact, it may just be an item used to further demonstrate mr freshwaters character</p>
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		<title>By: drd</title>
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		<dc:creator>drd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Stickle- I think you may find this post interesting with telling information from the Federal lawsuit;
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/01/freshwater-yet.html#comments 
I also believe the family went into the administration to talk about the incedent the next day. I never heard any testimony that they didn&#039;t &quot;permit&quot; anyone to look at the arm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Stickle- I think you may find this post interesting with telling information from the Federal lawsuit;<br />
<a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/01/freshwater-yet.html#comments" rel="nofollow">http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/01/freshwater-yet.html#comments</a><br />
I also believe the family went into the administration to talk about the incedent the next day. I never heard any testimony that they didn&#8217;t &#8220;permit&#8221; anyone to look at the arm.</p>
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		<title>By: whatev</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I believe you are wrong. A student DID testify that he saw the mark on Zach&#039;s arm the next day. It was one of Mr Freshwater&#039;s witnesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I believe you are wrong. A student DID testify that he saw the mark on Zach&#8217;s arm the next day. It was one of Mr Freshwater&#8217;s witnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a Freshwater supporter, and I am sick of this also but....
If he actually &quot;burned a cross&quot; into a student&#039;s arm, and there is any truth to that, why isn&#039;t he in jail right now? I&#039;m pretty sure a law would have been broken.
If the child&#039;s parents believe this to be so, have they pushed for prosecution on this charge?
Maybe I&#039;m just not familiar with the details of this.
Someone please educate me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Freshwater supporter, and I am sick of this also but&#8230;.<br />
If he actually &#8220;burned a cross&#8221; into a student&#8217;s arm, and there is any truth to that, why isn&#8217;t he in jail right now? I&#8217;m pretty sure a law would have been broken.<br />
If the child&#8217;s parents believe this to be so, have they pushed for prosecution on this charge?<br />
Maybe I&#8217;m just not familiar with the details of this.<br />
Someone please educate me.</p>
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