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	<title>Comments on: New Castle residents say church is going too far</title>
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		<title>By: my2centsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2010/08/18/new-castle-residents-say-church-is-going-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-5269</link>
		<dc:creator>my2centsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam... now go do a &quot;you tube&quot; on how people hide behind false religion as a cover-up. The pedophiles, the wife beaters,   incest fathers,   the cheaters who have &quot;regulars&quot; at the girlie bars, the preachers who use the parishioner&#039;s money to fill their own pockets, &amp; ones who use violence to get their way.

If that church doesn&#039;t like the strippers, they should go somewhere else. That&#039;s what Jesus did. He fled to another location. He didn&#039;t stay &amp; fight.

I never get my nose into topics like this, but.........it burns me up to see people automatically believe what the church people say..... I KNOW how those people are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam&#8230; now go do a &#8220;you tube&#8221; on how people hide behind false religion as a cover-up. The pedophiles, the wife beaters,   incest fathers,   the cheaters who have &#8220;regulars&#8221; at the girlie bars, the preachers who use the parishioner&#8217;s money to fill their own pockets, &amp; ones who use violence to get their way.</p>
<p>If that church doesn&#8217;t like the strippers, they should go somewhere else. That&#8217;s what Jesus did. He fled to another location. He didn&#8217;t stay &amp; fight.</p>
<p>I never get my nose into topics like this, but&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it burns me up to see people automatically believe what the church people say&#8230;.. I KNOW how those people are.</p>
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		<title>By: miriam st. jean</title>
		<link>http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2010/08/18/new-castle-residents-say-church-is-going-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-5258</link>
		<dc:creator>miriam st. jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey sam

why don&#039;t you do an article about the men that are acting like &quot;pigs,&quot; rather on focussing on the women who are simply trying to make a living............legally..............and in a way that&#039;s none of your, nor the kooks at that church&#039;s business....

just wondering]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey sam</p>
<p>why don&#8217;t you do an article about the men that are acting like &#8220;pigs,&#8221; rather on focussing on the women who are simply trying to make a living&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;legally&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and in a way that&#8217;s none of your, nor the kooks at that church&#8217;s business&#8230;.</p>
<p>just wondering</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A student reporter for the Kenyon Collegian, Hannah Curran, wrote an interesting article a few years ago about the Foxhole. She provides details about what being a stripper is like for these ladies:

 I [‚Ä¶] ask the girls how working at the Foxhole has changed their opinion of men.

The answer is immediate and vehement. &quot;Men are pigs!&quot; seethes Natalia. &quot;They don&#039;t see anything in you but coochie and boobs. The same guys come in, asking for the same things, and I keep telling them no-it&#039;s like they&#039;re not thinking with their heads. We know that&#039;s not what drives them.&quot; 

None of the girls are presently in serious relationships, although two of them are in the midst of messy divorces. 

(See the article, ‚ÄúThe Foxhole: Go for the pie, stay for the pole dancing.‚Äù)
 
http://media.www.kenyoncollegian.com/media/storage/paper821/news/2006/11/09/Features/The-Foxhole.Go.For.The.Pie.Stay.For.The.Pole.Dancing-2450280.shtml#3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A student reporter for the Kenyon Collegian, Hannah Curran, wrote an interesting article a few years ago about the Foxhole. She provides details about what being a stripper is like for these ladies:</p>
<p> I [‚Ä¶] ask the girls how working at the Foxhole has changed their opinion of men.</p>
<p>The answer is immediate and vehement. &#8220;Men are pigs!&#8221; seethes Natalia. &#8220;They don&#8217;t see anything in you but coochie and boobs. The same guys come in, asking for the same things, and I keep telling them no-it&#8217;s like they&#8217;re not thinking with their heads. We know that&#8217;s not what drives them.&#8221; </p>
<p>None of the girls are presently in serious relationships, although two of them are in the midst of messy divorces. </p>
<p>(See the article, ‚ÄúThe Foxhole: Go for the pie, stay for the pole dancing.‚Äù)</p>
<p><a href="http://media.www.kenyoncollegian.com/media/storage/paper821/news/2006/11/09/Features/The-Foxhole.Go.For.The.Pie.Stay.For.The.Pole.Dancing-2450280.shtml#3" rel="nofollow">http://media.www.kenyoncollegian.com/media/storage/paper821/news/2006/11/09/Features/The-Foxhole.Go.For.The.Pie.Stay.For.The.Pole.Dancing-2450280.shtml#3</a></p>
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		<title>By: miriam st. jean</title>
		<link>http://www.mountvernonnews.com/blog/2010/08/18/new-castle-residents-say-church-is-going-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-5250</link>
		<dc:creator>miriam st. jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sam, sam, sam, sam, sam

The fruitcakes at the church aren&#039;t protesting a revised code violation.

They&#039;re trying to impose their own &quot;moral&quot; (and I use the term loosely) standards on others.

Ya&#039;ll need to get over yourselves, worry about your own lives, and stop sticking your noses into others&#039;.

Good grief.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sam, sam, sam, sam, sam</p>
<p>The fruitcakes at the church aren&#8217;t protesting a revised code violation.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re trying to impose their own &#8220;moral&#8221; (and I use the term loosely) standards on others.</p>
<p>Ya&#8217;ll need to get over yourselves, worry about your own lives, and stop sticking your noses into others&#8217;.</p>
<p>Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just as a clarification to my previous comment, I do not believe that the Mount Vernon News ‚Äúbadgers‚Äù anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a clarification to my previous comment, I do not believe that the Mount Vernon News ‚Äúbadgers‚Äù anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion has been the root of more evil, killing and bloodshed than anything else in our world. Religious people are in denial about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion has been the root of more evil, killing and bloodshed than anything else in our world. Religious people are in denial about this.</p>
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		<title>By: my2centsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>my2centsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam........ why dont you take your camera now, &amp; get the holy rollers in their act?
I dont back the girls in the what they do in a bar like that,....I&#039;m pretty sure most of them have kids, &amp; should be at home at an hour like that.

BUT..... on the other hand, religion has always been the back bone to wars, riots, prejudices, &amp; opinions.

Those self righteous hipocrites are big time troublemakers.  I&#039;m sure when the time comes, &amp; violence breaks out, it will be initiated by the religious people, not the loose women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam&#8230;&#8230;.. why dont you take your camera now, &amp; get the holy rollers in their act?<br />
I dont back the girls in the what they do in a bar like that,&#8230;.I&#8217;m pretty sure most of them have kids, &amp; should be at home at an hour like that.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;.. on the other hand, religion has always been the back bone to wars, riots, prejudices, &amp; opinions.</p>
<p>Those self righteous hipocrites are big time troublemakers.  I&#8217;m sure when the time comes, &amp; violence breaks out, it will be initiated by the religious people, not the loose women.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Stickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Stickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debbie Henthorn said, ‚ÄúThe law only says that nudity must cease. It doesn‚Äôt say anything about closing the doors.‚Äù

Actually the law does state that businesses such as the Foxhole must close at midnight.  
Ohio Revised Code states:

&quot;No sexually oriented business shall be or remain open for business between 12:00 midnight and 6:00 a.m. on any day, except that a sexually oriented business that holds a liquor permit pursuant to Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code may remain open until the hour specified in that permit if it does not conduct, offer, or allow sexually oriented entertainment activity in which the performers appear nude.&quot; 

( see http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.40 )

The Foxhole does not have a liquor permit. 

Debbie Henthorn said, ‚ÄúI understand that your brand of religion asks you to witness your beliefs to others and to attempt to bring them to your side. Witnessing is not the same as intimidation and badgering.‚Äù 

Regardless of what you perceive my religious beliefs to be, the Foxhole is in violation of ORC 2907.40 (b). 

I didn‚Äôt badger anyone anymore than the Mount Vernon News reporter did who wrote the story upon which we are commenting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Henthorn said, ‚ÄúThe law only says that nudity must cease. It doesn‚Äôt say anything about closing the doors.‚Äù</p>
<p>Actually the law does state that businesses such as the Foxhole must close at midnight.<br />
Ohio Revised Code states:</p>
<p>&#8220;No sexually oriented business shall be or remain open for business between 12:00 midnight and 6:00 a.m. on any day, except that a sexually oriented business that holds a liquor permit pursuant to Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code may remain open until the hour specified in that permit if it does not conduct, offer, or allow sexually oriented entertainment activity in which the performers appear nude.&#8221; </p>
<p>( see <a href="http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.40" rel="nofollow">http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.40</a> )</p>
<p>The Foxhole does not have a liquor permit. </p>
<p>Debbie Henthorn said, ‚ÄúI understand that your brand of religion asks you to witness your beliefs to others and to attempt to bring them to your side. Witnessing is not the same as intimidation and badgering.‚Äù </p>
<p>Regardless of what you perceive my religious beliefs to be, the Foxhole is in violation of ORC 2907.40 (b). </p>
<p>I didn‚Äôt badger anyone anymore than the Mount Vernon News reporter did who wrote the story upon which we are commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You went inside, Sam? Yeah, I&#039;ll BET you went in for documentary purposes. Likely story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You went inside, Sam? Yeah, I&#8217;ll BET you went in for documentary purposes. Likely story.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Henthorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Henthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam - did you go inside to find out if, in fact, the club was breaking the law? Did you pay the cover charge, go inside the Fox Hole and see first hand what was going on? Or, did you stand outside, videotaping and assuming you knew what was going on.

The law only says that nudity must cease. It doesn&#039;t say anything about closing the doors. If that were so, every single bar in Ohio would close at midnight. Just because the doors are open after midnight and music is playing does not mean they are breaking the law. Unless, of course, you paid the cover charge and actually entered the club and saw them breaking the law.

I will admit that I haven&#039;t been to the Foxhole since the law was passed. But I will ask you, Sam - do you live in New Castle? What damage is the Foxhole - a legal business in the State of Ohio - doing to YOUR life?

I understand that your brand of religion asks you to witness your beliefs to others and to attempt to bring them to your side. Witnessing is not the same as intimidation and badgering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; did you go inside to find out if, in fact, the club was breaking the law? Did you pay the cover charge, go inside the Fox Hole and see first hand what was going on? Or, did you stand outside, videotaping and assuming you knew what was going on.</p>
<p>The law only says that nudity must cease. It doesn&#8217;t say anything about closing the doors. If that were so, every single bar in Ohio would close at midnight. Just because the doors are open after midnight and music is playing does not mean they are breaking the law. Unless, of course, you paid the cover charge and actually entered the club and saw them breaking the law.</p>
<p>I will admit that I haven&#8217;t been to the Foxhole since the law was passed. But I will ask you, Sam &#8211; do you live in New Castle? What damage is the Foxhole &#8211; a legal business in the State of Ohio &#8211; doing to YOUR life?</p>
<p>I understand that your brand of religion asks you to witness your beliefs to others and to attempt to bring them to your side. Witnessing is not the same as intimidation and badgering.</p>
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